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Apr 20, 2017
Frum Father Delays El Al Flight
A chareidi father of eight detained an El Al flight from Tel Aviv to Kiev because he objected to the movie screens. By Yeshiva World News
A chareidi father of eight detained a flight from Tel Aviv to Kiev as it was preparing for takeoff.
The flight was a low-cost El Al affiliate, UP, which was scheduled to fly to Kiev. The flight was delayed for over an hour as he insisted the cabin crew close the movie screens which was visible.
Passengers explain that some on board worked to persuade the man to back down, as did members of the cabin crew but he persisted despite all efforts to allay the situation.
The passengers add there were many chareidim on board, and they told him “sit down because you are making a major Chilul Hashem” but he would not adhere to their words.
At the end, he agreed to wear his eye mask, and he was given sufficient number for all of his children as well.
El Al officials confirm it was UP flight LY2654 to Kiev and that the passenger was insistent regarding demands to fold down the screens. When the passenger finally agreed to be seated the flight could take off as he and his family members had their eyes covered.
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Scenario:
1. 10 thousand flights without incident.
2. then you have a kooky incident
Do you...wring your hands and ponder the meaning of it all...or do you... meh
No cheating
This guy, like our boys, is standing up for what he believes in and wishes to protect himself and his children from being contaminated by the videos. Bravo for him!
What in the world was he thinking?
Okay, it's good that he had good intentions. But he is seriously misguided and can use some brushing up on the core truths of Yiddishkeit.
Regarding Teffillin: The rebbe has instructed it and it is one of his 12 Mivtzoim, there is no one that will think it is a Chillul Hashem as it is just fulfilling the positive commandemnt of Ahavas Yisroel ( Sharing Mitzvos with others ). Only some lunatics will say it is a Chillul Hashem, and we all know that they are silly.
Regarding Movies: It is very important to watch your eyes, But the alternitives are endless. Ie. Doing something else, learning, turn of sreen, cover it. You think of it. But delaying a flight is stupidity.
Rule: You don't fulfill mitzvos on other peoples accounts. If it effects others negetivly, Find another way to do it.
Also, He knows that the plain will have movies, dont pretend like he didnt know. Next time don't book if its an issue. No one forced him to
We don't know exactly what scenes were objectionable
But in today's movies there's a lot of garbage. I applaud !
he should have just requested eye masks and earplugs
the airline would have been perfectly justified to drag him off the plane
He should just be a mole living in a hut
SO to me the father of 8, he is soooooooo sooooooooo full of you know what......
And if you say these kids don't even look on the computer, what right do we have to bad mouth another Jew? Everyone is saying about Chilul Hashem, what about Ahavas Yisroel? What about another Yid's feelings?
If it was just a screen, what is wrong.
If it was a movie, then perhaps he has a case dependent on what is being shown.
every major airline shows movies, how did he not know that it would be like this when he booked his flight?,
and the difference between this and mivtzom is huge! this is somethin g affecting the whole plane whereas mivtzoim is a personal conversation!!
So to all of you that are so critical stop and think what if it were a movie that was objectionable ? He could have told his kids not to watch but that wouldn't work blindfolding the whole family is ludicrous for a long flight
He had a right to ask politely that either a different movie be shown or nothing at all
Imagine if it were a Muslim family they would immediately have turned it off to avoid being politically incorrect
We live in a crazy world and only Mashiach will straighten it out
But I would have expected on THIS site that he would get some support instead of insults Let's look at ourselves first
Just had the opportunity to fly on a long packed
el el flight with its usual delays . Witnessing a father
of family much quite like the one described with
the exact opposite behavior. As soon as the plane
was in the friendly skies he became quite friendly
all along the plane with his tefillin , smiling and
befriending all along the way . This was kiddish
Hashem from the get go including the polite behavior
of their entire family .
( movie screens have on/off switches .most were turned off
around our area . how simple is that ? If that's your
choice on a public flight ?)
Going to assume this wasn't a private plane and therefore
creating delay for the rest of the passengers should not
have been an option . Close your eyes
maybe 4 seconds.
if you get bothered by a question, there's a problem
besides, don't try changing the way chabad/lubavitch runs because your not the rebbe, and I think the rebbe knew what he was saying!!!
In short, dont place your problems on other people.
If you dont want to daven on an airplane, dont!
If you dont want to do mivtsoim, and listen to what the rebbe said, dont!
but dont go around telling people how to run chabad/lubavitch!!
before making decisions, Maybe you should learn what the rebbe says about it.
Forget being pro-halacha - but why does El Al put being anti-Jewish ahead of making money???????????????
On my last flight they showed video of churches and terrorist attacks for 20 minutes as a welcome to Israel video.
I paid an extra $20 on Up to choose seats so there was less of a chance to sit next to women and it worked.
This was years ago but I'm still mortified.
That's the real Chillul Hashem.