Apr 20, 2017
Frum Father Delays El Al Flight

A chareidi father of eight detained an El Al flight from Tel Aviv to Kiev because he objected to the movie screens.

By Yeshiva World News

A chareidi father of eight detained a flight from Tel Aviv to Kiev as it was preparing for takeoff.

The flight was a low-cost El Al affiliate, UP, which was scheduled to fly to Kiev. The flight was delayed for over an hour as he insisted the cabin crew close the movie screens which was visible.

Passengers explain that some on board worked to persuade the man to back down, as did members of the cabin crew but he persisted despite all efforts to allay the situation.

The passengers add there were many chareidim on board, and they told him “sit down because you are making a major Chilul Hashem” but he would not adhere to their words.

At the end, he agreed to wear his eye mask, and he was given sufficient number for all of his children as well.

El Al officials confirm it was UP flight LY2654 to Kiev and that the passenger was insistent regarding demands to fold down the screens. When the passenger finally agreed to be seated the flight could take off as he and his family members had their eyes covered.

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Just sick.....
(4/20/2017 2:19:14 PM)
Citizen Berel
This is an IQ test:


1. 10 thousand flights without incident.
2. then you have a kooky incident

Do you...wring your hands and ponder the meaning of it all...or do you... meh

No cheating
(4/20/2017 2:47:19 PM)
Video or Tefillin
When our boys ask passengers to put on tefillin - is that a chillul hashem? (Many outside our community would say yes)

This guy, like our boys, is standing up for what he believes in and wishes to protect himself and his children from being contaminated by the videos. Bravo for him!
(4/20/2017 3:08:46 PM)
Chiilul hashem!!!
He could just sit in his seat & look in a different direction! Or just turn of the screen This is so absurd! He's worried more about his olam haba than hashem! If you know what I mean. There are some chasidish people that are just stubborn & foolish!
(4/20/2017 3:11:47 PM)
Not absurd!
There is no reason on earth why an Israeli airline should show movies that are indecent. All PG movies are. Period.
(4/20/2017 3:19:27 PM)
Good for him for not wanting to watch but to make a scene on the plane???!!!!!! Inappropriate! He could have looked in his Sefer,closed his eyes... His children were prob so ashamed and next x will peak !!!!!
(4/20/2017 3:26:39 PM)
NO 6, you are nuts.
Let the chareidim study Torah. To delay a flight s sick, real sick. This guy is living in olden times man.
(4/20/2017 3:30:34 PM)
He is lucky he wasn't flying united!
Otherwise he would of been dragged off the plane and it would of been a live movie scene!!
(4/20/2017 3:33:13 PM)
They should've just arrested him after 10 mins and let the flight go onwards
(4/20/2017 3:41:57 PM)
He has a good point but,
he's lucky they didn't just make him & his family get off the plane. Don't know what to say. You can bring along eyes and ear protection but don't know if you can change the long established way of the world on a non-chartered flight.
(4/20/2017 3:56:31 PM)
Yankel Todres
Lunatic! I hope that he's consistent, and has all his kids trained on how to navigate the city streets blindfolded too. That way they'll never have to see the immodestly dressed Goyim!
(4/20/2017 4:27:01 PM)
Some ppl are on a tight schedule. He should knw most all international flights have screens and shouldnt fly if it bothers him tht much..
(4/20/2017 4:31:54 PM)
To #3
I'm not sure if you know this but toras emes decides what goes under the category of chilul Hashem and what doesn't. To be mkayem something which the Rebbe pushed for and is a mitzvah does not go under chilul Hashem. Besides for the fact that there is a difference if your actions are affecting a while plane or one person
(4/20/2017 4:36:18 PM)
All I can think of is...
His poor, poor kids who were probably mortified. He probably does this kind of thing all the time, and it's gonna turn his kids off the derech chas vishalom if he doesn't change his ways- QUICK! this is NOT what Yiddishkeit is about.
What in the world was he thinking?
Okay, it's good that he had good intentions. But he is seriously misguided and can use some brushing up on the core truths of Yiddishkeit.
(4/20/2017 4:55:46 PM)
i doubt he is even frum. he might have the levush but thats it
(4/20/2017 5:25:50 PM)
a thought
for all the flyers that want the plane to be exactly like they want, shud just rent a plane and then they dont have to have movies, music, or whatever shtus they dont like. they can get a 2nd plane if they have a wife or daughter that they want to sit seperatly
(4/20/2017 5:31:12 PM)
# 3
The comparision is stupid.
Regarding Teffillin: The rebbe has instructed it and it is one of his 12 Mivtzoim, there is no one that will think it is a Chillul Hashem as it is just fulfilling the positive commandemnt of Ahavas Yisroel ( Sharing Mitzvos with others ). Only some lunatics will say it is a Chillul Hashem, and we all know that they are silly.

Regarding Movies: It is very important to watch your eyes, But the alternitives are endless. Ie. Doing something else, learning, turn of sreen, cover it. You think of it. But delaying a flight is stupidity.

Rule: You don't fulfill mitzvos on other peoples accounts. If it effects others negetivly, Find another way to do it.

Also, He knows that the plain will have movies, dont pretend like he didnt know. Next time don't book if its an issue. No one forced him to
(4/20/2017 5:35:07 PM)
unless it was a completely innapropriate movie, which i highly doubt theyd show...
he should just not look. Does he also yell at people in the street for wearing non tznius clothes?
(4/20/2017 5:44:07 PM)
Did he not know when purchasing ticket that there would be a movie?
(4/20/2017 5:54:45 PM)
Oh man
If you have any negitive comments to say keep it to youself
(4/20/2017 6:07:18 PM)
Good for him
I think he's a real example of standing up for his kids.
We don't know exactly what scenes were objectionable
But in today's movies there's a lot of garbage. I applaud !
(4/20/2017 6:56:32 PM)
I agree
(4/20/2017 7:16:09 PM)
such a chillul hashem
he should have just requested eye masks and earplugs
the airline would have been perfectly justified to drag him off the plane
(4/20/2017 7:28:14 PM)
You would think
What a wast of a post stam bashing a YID paddling garbage
(4/20/2017 7:28:14 PM)
What did he expect?!
Aren't the screens individual for each row? I don't get it.
(4/20/2017 7:29:39 PM)
Unfortunately I agree that this is a turn-off for his kids
No need to repeat all of the good points above but I have found that ( all too often) the people most inflexible tyrannical and over the top in their Yiddishkeit are suffering from mental illness and/ or have the biggest yetzer horas. I pity those children & his poor wife - the real goal is to serve HaShem with simcha !
(4/20/2017 7:35:33 PM)
How does this man walk on the street? Omg he sees a lady wearing pants or if he goes to Manhattan.
He should just be a mole living in a hut
(4/20/2017 7:57:37 PM)
Nut guy & sooooooooo brain wash
If he was a cheveraman, he should have just got up & QUIET .

SO to me the father of 8, he is soooooooo sooooooooo full of you know what......
(4/20/2017 8:03:13 PM)
People who don't yell at others for their inappropriate clothing are demonstrating a high level of mesiras nefesh, while those wearing the clothing are demonstrating a high level of immaturity and selfishness.
(4/20/2017 8:08:05 PM)
Not right to post
I don't believe it is the right thing to do for news sites to be posting this. After the humiliation his kids got already, they also need more people criticizing on the internet?
And if you say these kids don't even look on the computer, what right do we have to bad mouth another Jew? Everyone is saying about Chilul Hashem, what about Ahavas Yisroel? What about another Yid's feelings?
(4/20/2017 8:37:07 PM)
To #13 Good point but...
Yes the Rebbe pushed for watching Jewish sourced movies but not for him to delay a flight. He could have planned ahead of time.
(4/20/2017 8:38:45 PM)
No comment on the incident but anyways ELAL Israeli Airlines has the highest delayed flight sceduale for major airlines
(4/20/2017 8:55:42 PM)
Should have kicked him and family off the plane
(4/20/2017 9:00:15 PM)
was it just the screen visible or was there a movie being shown? Not clear to me.

If it was just a screen, what is wrong.
If it was a movie, then perhaps he has a case dependent on what is being shown.
(4/20/2017 9:03:09 PM)
He could have gotten each kid to throw a sweater over their screen. A good invention would be plastic screen slipcovers..
(4/20/2017 9:08:59 PM)
Should have been kicked off
If not for United he would, and should have been kicked off the plane. Every plane has screens and if you don't like it don't fly.
(4/20/2017 9:12:05 PM)
private jet
every major airline shows movies, how did he not know that it would be like this when he booked his flight?,

and the difference between this and mivtzom is huge! this is somethin g affecting the whole plane whereas mivtzoim is a personal conversation!!
(4/20/2017 9:46:25 PM)
To #3
If a bochur would hold up a plane load of people for even 5 minutes - Let alone an hour - because he is insisting on doing mivtza tefillin, of course this would be a chilul haShem and Lubavitch.
(4/21/2017 12:31:35 AM)
There was obviously only a general screen
If personal he could have turned them off this was charter not luxury plane
So to all of you that are so critical stop and think what if it were a movie that was objectionable ? He could have told his kids not to watch but that wouldn't work blindfolding the whole family is ludicrous for a long flight
He had a right to ask politely that either a different movie be shown or nothing at all
Imagine if it were a Muslim family they would immediately have turned it off to avoid being politically incorrect
We live in a crazy world and only Mashiach will straighten it out
But I would have expected on THIS site that he would get some support instead of insults Let's look at ourselves first
(4/21/2017 1:53:29 AM)
setting an example
Just had the opportunity to fly on a long packed
el el flight with its usual delays . Witnessing a father
of family much quite like the one described with
the exact opposite behavior. As soon as the plane
was in the friendly skies he became quite friendly
all along the plane with his tefillin , smiling and
befriending all along the way . This was kiddish
Hashem from the get go including the polite behavior
of their entire family .
( movie screens have on/off switches .most were turned off
around our area . how simple is that ? If that's your
choice on a public flight ?)
(4/21/2017 4:25:38 AM)
Going to assume these were planes with large screens with one movie being shown to all passengers...in this case screen couldn't be turned and the movie is played for all. Not forming opinion but from above article makes the most sense.
(4/21/2017 4:53:23 AM)
Going to assume this wasn't a private plane and therefore
creating delay for the rest of the passengers should not
have been an option . Close your eyes
(4/21/2017 7:11:53 AM)
If this was a charter flight,
with a large single screen, then the Yid makes good sense. Otherwise it would seem he was inconsiderate of his fellow passengers. He should have brought games, etc. for his children to distract them & keep them occupied.
(4/21/2017 7:37:38 AM)
Big self righteous nothing
Some people are so full of their own self-importance. Why not sort out if his needs can be met BEFORE he booked the flight? No, better to act out a big drama in front of a ready made audience.
(4/21/2017 11:17:46 AM)
Minyan in Isles
Same as making a minyan on flight. Blocking isles. Disturbing people. We gotta stop this. And don't stop people on street to ask if they are Jewish - people need to gt to work and have a right not to be harassed.
(4/21/2017 2:08:18 PM)
to #45
How long does it take to ask a question and answer "yes or no"?
maybe 4 seconds.
if you get bothered by a question, there's a problem

besides, don't try changing the way chabad/lubavitch runs because your not the rebbe, and I think the rebbe knew what he was saying!!!

In short, dont place your problems on other people.

If you dont want to daven on an airplane, dont!
If you dont want to do mivtsoim, and listen to what the rebbe said, dont!
but dont go around telling people how to run chabad/lubavitch!!

before making decisions, Maybe you should learn what the rebbe says about it.
(4/21/2017 4:03:04 PM)
Not that much of an idiot after 6 kids!!!! That he didn't know there are movies on planes should have been taken off the plane
(4/22/2017 7:17:01 AM)
The passenger was right
On El AL which is seen as Israel's national airline (and Israel is composed of a large percentage of chareidim) there should be a movie free option available. Perhaps by seating those that want this option all in one section. It's known that a child's chinuch can be thrown off by seeing the wrong thing just in one moment. How much more so when he is buckled into a seat with his eyes glued to a movie screen in front of him for many hours. I think we have been exposed so much to movies, inappropriate ads etc. that we have lost sensitivity to what is right. My comment hear does not apply to non-Jewish airlines (though many educated non-Jews lament what tv has accomplished), it applies specifically to El AL which should be sensitive to the needs of this large paying sector of their market.
(4/22/2017 11:36:24 AM)
# 48 has th right idea,
El Al could have a special section for Chareidim!
(4/22/2017 8:43:37 PM)
El Al is a Stupid Business
From exclusively a business standpoint if El Al were to offer (for pay) the ability for men to sit next to men and have a mehadrin seating place with no screens - they would make more money.

Forget being pro-halacha - but why does El Al put being anti-Jewish ahead of making money???????????????

On my last flight they showed video of churches and terrorist attacks for 20 minutes as a welcome to Israel video.

I paid an extra $20 on Up to choose seats so there was less of a chance to sit next to women and it worked.
(4/23/2017 6:00:20 AM)
To #1-#50 besides for a few smart people in between
G-d gave us guidelines how to live, thank him for a rebbe that helps us with those guidelines. The world is full of lies, falseness etc. I.e. "Drek". Don't give in to it and claim you want to be human and normal, the Torah teaches us to call off the worlds bluff so learn from that man!
(4/23/2017 4:21:34 PM)
On a similar flight with my family
they aired, on the big screens that you couldn't ignore, completely undressed women.
This was years ago but I'm still mortified.
That's the real Chillul Hashem.
(4/24/2017 10:22:38 PM)
ahavas yisroel
also applies to this person you know.
(4/25/2017 2:35:04 PM)
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